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JAPOV
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20/10/2020 11:32 am  

As you know I've been researching BIAB, and I've come across an "Analyzer" feature that I wasn't aware of. Since this would be a major selling point for me, I'm wondering if you would be willing to conduct a little experiment...? 

1- Choose any song that you can comfortably strum a guitar and sing to a drum track.
2- Find a style in BIAB close to that song. 
3- Turn off all the accompanyment in that style except for one bar of drums.
4- Record yourself strumming and singing along with the drum track.
5- Use the Analyze feature to automatically generate a backing track in that style.

Obviously for this experiment any simple song with an obvious chord change in the chorus/bridge would be great, and don't worry about sound quality either. What I really want to know is if my usual "phone rough" recordings will be sufficient 🙂

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Gavin
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20/10/2020 2:31 pm  

Hey Tony. I can't find any information about the Analyzer feature. I've tried looking for it in BIAB and can't find it. Can you provide a link to where you found the information?

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20/10/2020 9:11 pm  

Ah, it's in the audio chord wizard. I don't think this is going to do what you think, Tony. What exactly is it that you want to achieve?

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20/10/2020 9:45 pm  

I want to sync one of my typical phone recordings and see if it will automatically generate a backup track. If it can really detect what chords I'm playing then you should be able to copy-n-paste that info into a project.

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20/10/2020 9:59 pm  

@japov

OK, I'll see if I can figure out what you're asking for. 🙂 On the other hand, I think it would be a lot quicker just to open up a new project and type in the chords. It will then generate the backup track for you and you can play around with styles to your heart's content. You could then just use the analyzer feature purely for synching your phone track to the backup track to account for any variations in timing. Of course, if you are playing along to a drum track, you'll already be in perfect synch.

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20/10/2020 10:03 pm  

Tell you what, since I recorded this with a metronome it should make things easy...

https://www.soundclick.com/music/songInfo.cfm?songID=13890236

Plug it in and see what happens 🙂

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20/10/2020 10:47 pm  

I'm working on it. I've never used this feature before, so it's taking me a while to figure it out. Just so that I can check that I'm doing it right, what tempo did you have the metronome set to?

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20/10/2020 10:54 pm  

I wish I could say lol, that one's been a while... All I can say is that it's sure to be a whole number 🙂

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20/10/2020 10:56 pm  

So not 146.05 then LOL?

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20/10/2020 11:07 pm  

Right! 🙂

I'm actually hoping this works out well... or well enough anyway. I got the idea from uploading midi files from ChordPulse to LogicX. When I saw that video earlier about the "auto chord wizard" I REALLY got excited! Even if it's close it'll still be functional for me.

Thanks Gav! 🙂

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20/10/2020 11:17 pm  

OK, it's taking me a little while to get the hang of it. Seems you have to be pretty precise where you put those first two bar markers, which makes sense. Other wise it goes haywire later in the song if you don't have the tempo right. I'll keep going tomorrow.

For me this seems a little ass backwards, but I can see how you would want to do it with existing tracks you've already recorded. For new stuff, you would probably start with BIAB, pick a style you like, enter the chords and then play your guitar over the backing tracks.

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20/10/2020 11:21 pm  

Actually, what I'm thinking is what I suggested in the experiment lol. If I can just pick a style and tempo and record myself playing... 😉

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21/10/2020 12:14 am  

You can definitely do that. It's what I do with vocals. I have the melody in my head or picked out on piano. I open BIAB and audition the band playing in styles that look promising, pick one, enter the chords so that I have the whole basic track, try singing the melody over it and if I don't like it, try another style until I find the one that works best. Maybe mess around with replacing individual instruments. Then I export each instrumental track to my DAW and record vocals and any other instruments such as midi strings or sax, etc. BIAB has a DAW called RealBand, but they do such a lousy job of explaining that that I didn't realize it was there! I would probably still have exported the tracks to my DAW anyway as I like it better than RealBand.

It works well for me because I think what I'm good at is melody. I don't start with riffs or beats. And melody is one thing BIAB doesn't do, so we complement each other. Actually, BIAB does have a feature which will generate a melody for you but if you need that, you might as well not bother 🙂

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21/10/2020 8:17 pm  

Tony, the Auto Chord Wizard is an absolute nightmare. I would not recommend using it. I imported your track OK, but synching it is really difficult, mostly because the process is totally counter-intuitive and unforgiving of mistakes. Probably easy if I could figure it out. I'll keep working on it, but it might be a couple of days. Or you could just take my word for it that you can do what you describe above 🙂

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